They kill whoever looked at them oddly. Put down the final moment of a charctor killed by a goblin.

They are getting help from people that make no sense. A gnome, elf humans.

Lower is insane.

Agreed, but then, I played a Malarite elf before, what does that make me?

I think people still think of them as prestigious or DM played characters so the race has some prestige to it.

thats why lower is 'insane'.

Even if they are prestige or DM played it shouldn't effect their characters view.

Thomas, both of those are really good points! :lol: It's always good to laugh at ourselves sometimes.

It does seem rather ludicrous that gnomes aren't doing everything they can to kill every kobold in sight, and dwarves to goblins. But there are some additional factors that should be taken into account due to such an unusual server setting.

For one, Sanctuary is almost exclusivley ex-slaves. Some may have worked alongside goblins/kobolds or escaped with them, some may have been enslaved by goblins/kobolds. Some may believe (either correctly or incorrectly, as only the future will tell!) that the Gruzzle Tribe was needed to feed the Lowers as rat hunters. Some may believe that Sanctuary does not have the power to face an enemy as powerful as the Great Shadow Dragon!

Elves tend towards Chaos and Good. They should probably not be friendly towards goblins and kobolds. You could argue the same for halflings, and for good measure, I think I should give the monthly reminder that most halflings lean towards LAWFUL and GOOD. Just throwing that out there, it's a good thing to keep in mind. :wink:

Humans, half-elves, and half-orcs on the other hand are considerably more likely to support goblins and kobolds. Then again, these races tend towards no particular alignment, which should be the largest factor by and far.

I think this has been an interesting experiment on the part of the DMs. I think it proves that we are not ready for such power. It's fascinating that once we know goblins/kobolds are PCs it's more than alright to kill them for no reason. I understand that certain races or character stories might have an unblinding hatred for another race. And yes, they are a monster race. But Sanctuary is a very odd little city. Like Garem said, most of the folks are ex-slaves and may have an affinity towards them. But, if you were a goblin slave then obviously you might have a bias against them. I think the SD vs FD thing has a lot of value. I've made a few goblins/kobolds. Most died from something stupid on my part, but a few have been blindly killed for no reason other than what they were. In all but one case it was just a drag. It's funny, ho no one batted an eye when they took a quest to catch rats for goblin stew, or to deliver spices, but now that they are PCs it's open season. Goblin town was little more than a place in lower that served no purpose other than to gain a few EXP the first time you walked in there and to take a quest. Once more PCs were involved it opened up a chance to wipe that slate clean. If they are so awful then why did goblin town exist and swell for so long?

The biggest thing is dont be a hypocrite. If you kill kobold PCs because you are a gnome or your character's mom was rape by a kobold gang bang, fine. But if that same character does any business with Lord Bunge, you are a hypocrite and you should rot in hell.

Hookswords, I agree with you... with one major disagreement.

Superficially, it looks like Goblintown was wiped out because of mounting frustrations with the flood of PCs. Evidently, this is not the case. I know some details, though not many, and even what I know is certainly not to be mentioned here! Regardless, the new ruling was NOT an exclusive reason, and NOT the largest one.

The biggest thing is dont be a hypocrite. If you kill kobold PCs because you are a gnome or your character's mom was rape by a kobold gang bang, fine. But if that same character does any business with Lord Bunge, you are a hypocrite and you should rot in hell.

There's three words I never thought I'd see in succession on the EFU forums. ; "Kobold gang bang" -ninelives :lol:

Anyways, yes, I would agree this is a serious issue, although the bad examples are the only really visible examples. It's hard to spot when someone is actually treating this the way it should be, by their character!

In regards to Halflings hating Kobolds and Goblins im pretty sure it says halflings are more willing to integrate and are more accepting than other races.

As a whole hearted supporter of the great experiment, I have to state that it was well known if not conviently forgotten(guilty of this) that if you played one (Goblin/Kobold) you were pretty much marked for fd from the get go. Whether it be players who did it just because they could, or with justified ic reason to do it, it was never a secret. Part of the fun is the intense survival feel of being always hunted. (not to say that just because they can is not a justified reason in the underdark) Could some of it be a bit better roleplayed then just attacking without any interaction? Sure..but any Goblin/Kobold who has survived any length of time will most likely have survived a few of these hunts, and you would find yourself hilt deep on a dagger by the time you got your second word out..such is the life of prey, live long enough and become the hunter..

Dilandau Kale In regards to Halflings hating Kobolds and Goblins im pretty sure it says halflings are more willing to integrate and are more accepting than other races.

Gnomes shopping from Bunge.. That is just wrong :?

Im just going by what it says about Halflings in all the P&P Sourcebooks (such as races of the wild and races of the Dragon) all of which say halflings are quite accepting of other races and are not quick to judge.

They also say halflings are more neutral than anything else

So what if your slave? I mean if you were enslaved, then you grew up with the cultures hatred toward kobolds etc... But if you were -born- in slavery, then there is an entirely different issue, you charctor might not have any racial biasm at all, you may see all thigs equal, in slavery that is. I believe, like humans, halfings are all spectrum, they can be anything, but if you play a gnome that was ennslaved at a point of his life, then you should hate kobolds.

On a totally random note, don't forget what goblins and kobolds do as monsters. They eat people, they enslave others in their big fortress filled with traps, they try to invade Sanctuary, they worship a big dragon that eats councilors, etc, etc, etc.

Personally, I find it good enough to hate the whole races. IC, of course.

Racism has existed for worse reasons, if you take time to look at our own history.

It's not really "racism" (ie unjustified racial discrimination) if there's a perfectly good reason to hate a race, as there is in the FR.

In the real world, there are no good reasons for that at all.