This is a concept recruit ment. The number of truly tribal goblin kin are low and me and Dug would like to see some people at least try to play goblins or goblin kin. (hrug and dug are curently the only goblins that are in goblin town)

requirements you must worship the goblin god. classes-any alignment-evil

I honestly dont care if the goblin is smart or dumb you could play a geniouse goblin wizard or a idiot goblin who just enjoys eating people. Also your goblin must have lived in goblin town.

Advantages-great rp 2 You have a big Drunken hobgoblin to protect you 3 Getting to be of goblin kin. 4 Being able to be racist against elves or orcs (cause you worship the goblin gods) 5 perhaps getting to be able to have some authority and power in goblin town.

cons 1 people may just be mean to you cause your a goblin 2 It will be very hard to get to upper without getting killed ( so that kills most delivery quests.) 3 People might want to kill you just cause your a goblin. 4 People may be extra suspiciouse of you cause your a gob.

Goblin kin dosent limit yourself to just goblins. You can always try to apply for a hobgoblin (curently im the first and only hobgoblin.)

I think you forgot a con, but anyways, what sorts of goals do you have in mind?

Pm me if you want a list of goals.

I want in on this hard.

Do we get to interact with glorious drunken hobgoblins on a regular basis?

Yes you will (when im online)

As Calculors owner and bum friend i would also like to be a goblin, if only to taunt and jibe at him some more. If you could be so good as to send me some details on goals, i'll be able to write a better app!

ps. Calculor I love yooou! xxx

Hirbag is gonna beat any hobgoblins into the ground, you just know ahead of time...( I might apply for a goblin if and when Riappi or Hirbag die...and my other applications get a no.)

Two questions:

1) Are goblins prohibited from roaming upper? (Penalty is...?)

2) If a goblin is completely in armor and helm, would an observer be able to tell it was a goblin and not a gnome/hin ?

Yes, yes.

TO jackswords

1 Goblins arent aloud to roam upper and penalty is death.

2 Im not actually sir best to take take that up with a dm.

JackOfSwords Two questions:

1) Are goblins prohibited from roaming upper? (Penalty is...?)

2) If a goblin is completely in armor and helm, would an observer be able to tell it was a goblin and not a gnome/hin ?

For #2, try putting them next to each other and compare the posture.

JackOfSwords 2) If a goblin is completely in armor and helm, would an observer be able to tell it was a goblin and not a gnome/hin ?

It's the swaggy walk.

2) If a goblin is completely in armor and helm, would an observer be able to tell it was a goblin and not a gnome/hin ?

Really, I'd say it's just the smell.

Anyways, I guess I'll add onto this post. If any of you out there have ever considered a greenskin, there's no time like the present to try it out. Due to IG events, the time is ripe for the Gruzzle Tribe to flourish. I can also be contacted about any questions you might have, PMs or IRC work best for me.

Kobolds in particular would have a hard time passing themselves off as hin or gnomes, what with their tails and muzzles.

On a side note, would it be possible for a non-goblin resident of Goblin Town to become a sort of honorary member of the Gruzzle Tribe? I'm working on a concept for another kobold character since I lost the account my old one was on.

To those who might be put off by the kill-on-sight laws: Yea, they suck. But who needs the Uppers anyways? I ask that question not as sarcasm either; the Lowers have plenty of opportunity for all levels of characters through quests, RP, factions, PvP, etc.. Now, the following is all my personal opinion, but the Lowers are truly the heart of the Underdark survival setting. The Uppers is safe, comfortable, full of shiny adventurers in their fancy full-plate and shiny magic weapons. The Lowers is full of grime, rats, hungry children, beggars, a little bit of crime (although I heartily assure you, I know nothing about that!). For a truly unique survival experience, you REALLY should get out of that damned Last Stand every now and then and get a taste of the wild and reckless Lowers and it's favored drinking hole, the Pissing Crone.

The Lowers itself can be well summarized by the motto of aforementioned tavern: "Where blood on the wall is the last call!"

Response to Viashino: The DMs are the ones who really have the final say here, since the Gruzzle Tribe isn't even a full fledged DM faction, more of an NPC faction, so know that first.

Now, to answer the question. Yes, but I would imagine it to be very, very hard. For quite some time, the kobolds and goblins battled in the back alley of Sanctuary in a cold war of reproduction. From what I could tell, the kobolds were even winning up until their departure. Because of this, I would imagine that most of the tribe would have fairly bitter feelings towards kobolds in general, although it is certainly possible through some hard work to prove oneself to Gruzzle, should he be willing to accept you.

As for a PC kobold joining the small but (hopefully!) growing number of monsterous race PCs, anything is possible and best to be learned in-game I suppose.

As a final note, regardless of who accpets a kobold and who does not, this is a very good time to be a monsterous race character with the fracture between Upper and Lower.

well, last time i saw a concept recruit like this, i got excited. I realized quickly that a application was needed, so i spent a good amount of time putting one together according to the guidelines on the website.

In general, my response was no,no,no,no and no. I honestly thought the application had all it needed, and i still feeel that way. ONe DM told me that my goals were just too similar to the dogma of the god in question. I was just too good a follower i guess. I think given that chance i would have done some good things in that faction.

On the flip side of the coin, i heard of some drunken type brawling for cash in the CRone one dark so decided to check it out. Turns out one of these hobgoblins was fighting a were-cat. I was awestruck.

To think a DM thought so much of a persons application or RP abilities to grant them a were-cat race, and here they are wasting it to win some cash in a bar brawl. Well, needless to say i was pissed so i dropped some poison on it, maggot infestation, and topped it with disease just to watch it die.

Incredibally off-topic. BUt the point is that DMs dont just hand out special classes/races unless yur on the good-kid list. My advice is learn something abou these goblins and write a good application.

To those who might be put off by the kill-on-sight laws

Not put off by them. Just wanted to be certain I understood them. 8)

Thank you for all the pms I was sent reguarding questions I Hope to see alot of greenskins And no eating hrug.

Isn't Hrug on the surface?

LEARN IC!!!!!!!!

To think a DM thought so much of a persons application or RP abilities to grant them a were-cat race, and here they are wasting it to win some cash in a bar brawl. Well, needless to say i was pissed so i dropped some poison on it, maggot infestation, and topped it with disease just to watch it die.

Incredibally off-topic. BUt the point is that DMs dont just hand out special classes/races unless yur on the good-kid list. My advice is learn something abou these goblins and write a good application.

Let me try and understand this... you decided to attack a were-cat PC because you were angry about not getting an application passed, and this player did? Pardon me, but that's a terrible reason, and in my opinion both meta-gaming AND griefing at the same time. I do hope I misunderstood you about what transpired.

Small note on lycanthropes too: Lycanthropes are in a testing stage right now, and are not handed out lightly at ALL. I've spoken at length with a DM about potentially playing one, but altered the very concept into my goblin application instead. The point of me mentioning this is that you MUST earn the DM's trust that you will not exploit your bonuses, and you also must have a water-tight application.

About the good kid list thing: Well, sort of. But I don't even think that's worth mentioning. I've seen a player who's first character was a drow. Another who's first was a goblin. People the DMs had never talked to before. You don't have to be on this "good kid list" or whatever.

I suck at applications, just straight up. But here are some quick bits of advice from those that are better than me, and I have found to help.

1. Talk about your application with your fellow players. IRC is the BEST way to do this. Everything has been done before, ask about it.

2. When you've got some good things down, then ask a DM to take a moment to talk about your concept.

3. Correct if necessary, then take it back to a DM.

4. Proof-read. Make sure you have everything correct; spelling, grammar, etc.

5. Hit send! Check back in one week in IRC, channel #efuapps.

As I've noted many times now, IRC is a integral part of making application writing and earning an easy and successful process. For those of you who don't use IRC, I STRONGLY RECCOMMEND getting it, if only for easing application writing. But it's also a great place to make fun of Kotenku and socialize. And it's always nice knowing that, come hell or high water, Snoteye will be idling in IRC.

Garem

I suck at applications, just straight up. But here are some quick bits of advice from those that are better than me, and I have found to help.

1. Talk about your application with your fellow players. IRC is the BEST way to do this. Everything has been done before, ask about it.

2. When you've got some good things down, then ask a DM to take a moment to talk about your concept.

3. Correct if necessary, then take it back to a DM.

4. Proof-read. Make sure you have everything correct; spelling, grammar, etc.

5. Hit send! Check back in one week in IRC, channel #efuapps.

As I've noted many times now, IRC is a integral part of making application writing and earning an easy and successful process. For those of you who don't use IRC, I STRONGLY RECCOMMEND getting it, if only for easing application writing. But it's also a great place to make fun of Kotenku and socialize. And it's always nice knowing that, come hell or high water, Snoteye will be idling in IRC.

Should I put it on suggestions to add this to the FAQ about applications?

I like this one and think it's worth saving.

Let me try and understand this... you decided to attack a were-cat PC because you were angry about not getting an application passed, and this player did? Pardon me, but that's a terrible reason, and in my opinion both meta-gaming AND griefing at the same time. I do hope I misunderstood you about what transpired.

No thats not it. I attacked, on subdual mode, because i felt a lycanthrope should not be brawling in a bar. WHat irked me is OOC that a priveleged player can find no better RP for a lycanthrope than a wrestling contest in the Crone. MY rejected application was months back, i hold no grudges as I am happy with my main.

I've seen a player who's first character was a drow. Another who's first was a goblin. People the DMs had never talked to before. You don't have to be on this "good kid list" or whatever.

Basically i was told by SEVERAL DMs that you need to prove yourself first (the good kid list), perhaps join the watch, then move up and so on with different characters so they can see how you RP.

If ever a DM granted a drow to a player they do not know, have no references for, and otherwise have never me than thats plain F8CKEd. IT goes against everything they have ever laid down as the criteria for special applications. I certainly hope a DM can clarify this, and tell us if thats how it really happened.

Off topic, I'm sorry:

As far as "first" characters being drow, I have no idea. I do know that I have had several applications turned down, and several applications accepted. I always feel my applications are good, and I always have the best intentions, but not all of them are going to be approved.

You have a great char right now, Calavera, and good role-play with him along with watching how the server is progressing will aid greatly in any future applications, I am sure.

I don't recall ever approving someone we did not know for a drow! It was probably someone trying to be sneakysneakyincognito with Garem.

Likely it was a new account, rather than a new player.

Calavera

No thats not it. I attacked, on subdual mode, because i felt a lycanthrope should not be brawling in a bar. WHat irked me is OOC that a priveleged player can find no better RP for a lycanthrope than a wrestling contest in the Crone.

That's metagaming and very much a wrong action. Please refrain from attacking people for no IC reason just because you (incorrectly) assume they aren't playing a subrace 'properly'.

We approved one drow as a player's first character very early on in the server on the strength of an application and a long IRC conversation, and it turned out to be a huge disaster and negative experience for the player who despite assuring us she could handle it did not return to the server. So, we don't do that anymore.

Calavera well, last time i saw a concept recruit like this, i got excited. I realized quickly that a application was needed, so i spent a good amount of time putting one together according to the guidelines on the website.

In general, my response was no,no,no,no and no. I honestly thought the application had all it needed, and i still feeel that way. ONe DM told me that my goals were just too similar to the dogma of the god in question. I was just too good a follower i guess. I think given that chance i would have done some good things in that faction.

On the flip side of the coin, i heard of some drunken type brawling for cash in the CRone one dark so decided to check it out. Turns out one of these hobgoblins was fighting a were-cat. I was awestruck.

To think a DM thought so much of a persons application or RP abilities to grant them a were-cat race, and here they are wasting it to win some cash in a bar brawl. Well, needless to say i was pissed so i dropped some poison on it, maggot infestation, and topped it with disease just to watch it die.

Incredibally off-topic. BUt the point is that DMs dont just hand out special classes/races unless yur on the good-kid list. My advice is learn something abou these goblins and write a good application.

I was there and your character I remembered vividly. The white beared white robed dwarf with a knotty staff.

As for the werecat race I don't think it was a race because That person I have seen since and he is ranger/fighter. He used some kind of item to turn into the werecat I believe.

Turning into a Werecat, by whatever means, in the middle of a barfight is likely going to scare the crap out of a lot of people.

Sanctuary is a town where Lycanthropy has not had a positive history.

9lives Turning into a Werecat, by whatever means, in the middle of a barfight is likely going to scare the crap out of a lot of people.

Sanctuary is a town where Lycanthropy has not had a positive history.

OK...these 2 issues are kinda separate. and this thread has spiraled way out of control. As for the concept recruitment i wish you luck and encourage people to apply.

1. attacking a were-cat in the bar was NOT meta gaming. I dont care how many times you ssy that to me it was not. I was not at the time upset about them having some advantage i was denied.

2. I simply reflected on things afterwards and thought i would share my feeling about people abusing/wasting priveleges.

This was the wrong place, the wrong time, and I should have just kept my mouth shut. Calavera is alive and well, Our PC faction is thriving again and i wish the best to all you gobbies!

We approved one drow as a player's first character very early on in the server on the strength of an application and a long IRC conversation, and it turned out to be a huge disaster and negative experience for the player who despite assuring us she could handle it did not return to the server. So, we don't do that anymore.

The exact incident I was speaking of! :? And considering the horror of the experience for me that day, I for one am glad to hear that.

To Calavera:

I was not at the time upset about them having some advantage i was denied.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, the way it was written made it appear that way, hence both my and Cad's incorrect assumptions! :)

I return the well wishing to your druidic group concept; it's been a very long time since we've had a very strong nature-tied group. Then again, the last one tried to kill us all and feed us to their spiders. Yet I digress, good luck! And please don't send your spiders after us...

We've been throw quite off-topic; if anyone would like to procede with these discussions on applications, previous incidents, etc., please create a new thread! Any goblin questions, bring here, or feel free to PM me!

Some information on how tribal goblins feel with other races.

Orcs-goblins really hate orcs but arent afraid to use them.

Elves-goblins really hate elves but arent afraid to work with them or eat them when in numbers.

Humans-Sort of neutrel (unless bad expierience.)

Facts-Sometimes goblinoids work for evil humanoids for coin and sometimes goblins have bigger people to watch over them and enforce stuff. Bigger people can be bigger goblinoids. Ie Hobgoblins and Bugbears. (kind of hrugs story he sort of joinied goblin town as a enforcer if they gave him a place to stay and stew.) Even Ogres or giants if there rich enough.

Tribal goblins hate elve and orcs cause the goblin god magl is enemy to the orc and elf gods.

Goblins also often keep slaves. However some goblins that have been slaves or where slaves to drow or some other evil of the underdark might have things against slaves. (considering they where slaves themselves.) Also these goblins arent likely to be known slavers (because being a slaver in a city of ex slaves will get you killed.)

Information on regular goblins.

Most tribes are ruled by the biggest strongest or smartest sometimes. Goblins dont actually have a real concept of privacy at all. Infact only the chiefs live seperatly from the other goblins. Also goblins live just about anywhere they can find. And most goblins are cowards -and arent above using dishonorable tricks lieing or using ambushes. (though some tribes are honorable only towards fellow kin but not towards not kin.) Also correct me if im wrong but I here preists are very respected. (next to chief in authority maybe not sure?)

Information on those wishing to apply for a hobgoblin drunken or sober. Most hobgoblins are miltary bred and believe that strenth and martial prowses are the most useful tools in life. And the chief of a hobgoblin tribe is Often the toughest and meanest. Hobgoblins are often leaders and enforcers for goblin tribes. (whom they treat goblins as inferior.) They have a bit more honor then normal goblins but arent above using cheap dirty tricks and ambushes. Hobgoblin warbands and armys are often fully male. But often Females help with defending the clan home. Most hobgoblins worship the goblin god Maglubiyet.

Though Do to slavery some of these aspects of normal gobs and hobs may change. Hrug is a little more cowardly then most of his kin. Its also possible to play a gob or hob who never was a slave. -but got to the underdark on some magical portal acident etc.

Goblins!

No need for a application Look at Arkovs announcement so those wishing to make a green skin may do so.

Take special note that to play a goblin in Gruzzle's Tribe or the Shadow Tribe kobolds you must still apply, if I am not mistaken.

Thank you Arkov and co for this beautiful bounty of goblinoid goodness!

I may not be able to play this weekend the power at my house went out yesterday. Im using a school computer to post this. Im hoping my power gets back today. So if you dont see me in a little im not dead or quiting just power outage. And if you want to be in gruzzles tribe and arent Hrug will gladly help you aid in joining.