Would it be possible to have a variety of darts that recieve no mighty benefit but are lighter weight? I don't envision the kind of darts that a halfling would throw, to be the same shortened spear description many people have given me of what a 'combat dart' is.

Use a sling. Or shurikens.

Str bonus to darts is probably hardcoded.

I believe that those would be known as 'Darts'.

Slings count as throwing weapons in case you're concerned about receiving the halfling racial bonus to your AB. Bullets deal the same amount of base damage as darts and weigh nothing, so that should solve your problem. Unless of course you've some kind of fascination with darts that goes beyond game mechanics.

No, I picked darts sheerly for RP reasons before I knew that darts weighed a -ton- if that's your primary weapon. I can't very easily switch to a sling because I have RPed him being a master of the dart, and weapon focus/weapon specialization....with 10 strength I'm usually asking party members to carry darts for me, and have very little room for any equipment.

Just thought it would be nice to have a lightweight alternative. No huge loss if I just have to deal with it, I suppose.

Metro_Pack I believe that those would be known as 'Darts'.

I'm not sure I got what you were trying to say with that. If it was to imply that there is only one kind of dart as opposed to the 'combat dart', when was the last time you hucked a shortened spear at a dart board? -_-

I was just stating that Darts are for weaklings! If you're asking for lighter weight/less damage darts, I'm sure someone can feed those into the game.

Yeah, sorry. That's what I meant. Just that if you have 10 str, like a weakling would, they can get rather cumbersome.

Edit: I had to stop using medicine because it took up too much of my wt limit for darts.

People are expected to RP their stats like wisdom, intelligence, and charisma.

So isn't not being able to carry a large number of darts, part of Rping your lack of strength?

It would seem that making lighter darts would be a work around for a stat you chose to make low in order to have higher stats elsewhere.

So I would say keep asking people to carry darts for you, run out of darts sometimes, and make it a part of your character.

It isn't simply a way to work around a low stat. Because there very well would be lighter darts, which are hard to throw with force, because their so light. Just like a game dart. It wouldn't do much damage. Like 1d4. And I have RPed my character using game darts his entire career, and have never used bull strength to gain a damage bonus, because it didn't fit.

In actuallity, I am just trying to get the weapons I use, to actually reflect what I RP them as, light game darts. Not the shortened spears that 'darts' are supposed to represent in the engine.

I also feel the weight of darts is too high, especially when you consider shurikens and bullets don't cost any weight at all to carry.

JackOfSwords I also feel the weight of darts is too high, especially when you consider shurikens and bullets don't cost any weight at all to carry.

Combat darts are very large, actually. Shurikens and sling bullets are relatively negligible in weight because they are just that light and small.

A decent throwing star (4 inches) weighs about 2-5 ounces. Weight depends on size, number of prongs and material.

Most "bullets" used by ancient slingers weighed about 2-3 ounces, though it was not unheard of to weigh up to a pound.

The "combat darts" I'm aware of, such the Bo-Shuriken, or the Chinese Rope Dart, usually weigh between 2-5 ounces.

What are you basing "combat darts" on?

JackOfSwords What are you basing "combat darts" on?

Ever seen a "Jart"? A lawn dart? Similar to something like that.

Sooo... 50 darts weighs more then an infinite amount of 99 Small Stones?

"Sooo... 50 darts weighs more then an infinite amount of 99 Small Stones?"

Finite..total being 99..infinite amount, would be infinite..

What miasma meant was that you could hold an infinite quantity of the bundle of 99 stones without suffering any weight.

Ever seen a "Jart"? A lawn dart? Similar to something like that.

Hmm... this sounds like the roman weapon, "Martiobarbuli". That would make it almost 2 feet long, and weigh probably at least 1 pound. Generally, soldiers carried only a handful of these with them to battle. It would be highly impractical to carry 50 -- weight being the least concern. This would suggest a weapon more akin to the throwing axe.

Any reason why we are choosing to base a D&D dart on this model of weapon, which seems to be the largest possible dart (short of being called a spear) among historical weapons?

Player's Handbook Dart: A dart is the size of a large arrow and has a weighted head. Essentially, it is a small javelin.

Hm.

Yet one more reason I wish NWN was based on Iron Crown Enterprise's Rolemaster system, and not D&D.

Just feel lucky that the darts only weight 10/lb. (50 weigh 5 lbs). In PnP, Darts weight 1/2 lb. each. (Of course ammunition has weight for bolts/bullets too, but what are ya gonna do).

If we are trying to talk litereally, then 'playing darts' that are used in bars today are hardly weapons of combat. A 'commoner' in Dnd has roughly 4 hit points, for a basic 1st level peon. A 'dart', the weapon used in DnD and NWN, does 1d4, when thrown by a person of merdiocre strength (no str damage modifer). That means whatever it is you are throwing can kill a man in a single throw. That'd have to have some weight and bulk behind it. Your certainly not going to kill anyone with a gaming dart used in bars today.

So if there we're weightless or reduced weight darts, I'd think they should do a single point, much like a shiriken, having to have percision [more commonly refered to as sneak attack], to do any real damage to a foe. Or for easy of creation, just have it a normal dart, give it a -2 piercing damage penalty (1d4-2, min 1 damage), and a big reduction in weight.

Then the only complaint you'd be left with is this detracts from using shirikens, which require an additional feat to use.

If we are trying to talk litereally, then 'playing darts' that are used in bars today are hardly weapons of combat

Bo-shuriken and Chinese Rope Darts are much larger than "playing darts", and I would argue as effective at wounding as a sling or a roman dart.

I just want a dart alternative that is small, and ineffective for damage. That's the whole reason I -picked- the dart. It's sheer laughable stats. At the time I thought darts were wightless like bullets. I mean, it only made sense. Apparently I was wrong.

On a side note, my ranger carries around 2k arrows on him at all times.

no, because bullets can be picked -anywhere-! i mean most of where you go, there are small rocks on the ground..

Mort no, because bullets can be picked -anywhere-! i mean most of where you go, there are small rocks on the ground..

I've always assumed this is why bullets have no weight.

The rationalization for the weightlessness of arrows is that realistically you could re-use them, though. To be honest, I don't see why that wouldn't apply to darts also, if that's the line of argument you want to take.

I don't see why that wouldn't apply to darts also, if that's the line of argument you want to take

I'd agree, were the darts anything but the type being asserted in this thread.

But mattiobarbuli (a.k.a. plumbatae) are actually somewhat fragile. Each throw would yield a high chance of the shaft breaking free of the weighted head on impact, or the fletching being damaged. They might survive 2 or 3 combat throws, at most, and just as likely to need major repair after the 1st throw.

Right, perhaps we should script in weights and bulk for arrows, sling stones, and bolts.

Guys, really, it's a dart. It's not the end of the world and they are a crappy weapon anyways. If you hate them as they are so much right now, just use a sling.

Its called Roleplaying, It doesnt matter if its a crappy weapon or character. Your roleplaying Makes your character good or bad

Roleplay carrying heavy darts, then?

Its called Roleplaying, It doesnt matter if its a crappy weapon or character. Your roleplaying Makes your character good or bad

Absolutely right! Why, you needn't even really BUY any darts, or ever equip a weapon... just emote "throws razor sharp missile with amazing accuracy," and RP that you actually damaged that Umber Hulk Behemoth.

I don't know how this got so off track, but here it goes.

All this post was doing, was a simple request for a slightly-customized weapon added to the module. No mighty, and lighter weight. I wasn't asking for them to be weightless. A very small adjustment, to just allow me to be able to carry a few pouches of medicine, maybe. And in the future, who knows. Maybe someone else with 10 strength might use darts as their main weapon too, because they know they can pull it off with light darts, and not just automatically chose one of the other ranged weapons, because they know they can carry 10k ammunition and not worry.

All this post was doing, was a simple request for a slightly-customized weapon added to the module

:oops: Sorry, we got carried away.

Being someone that likes to have unique character-flavored inventory, I'm fully supportive of the suggestion. 8) Maybe a dart board could be added in the Pissing Crone, with some sort of script for a dart game, and a merchant there sell "Crone Darts" that weigh nothing and do crappy damage?

Hah. That's a good idea. I've wanted a dart board to hussle people on for a while. I've had to make do force attacking the weathered board in the stew shop.

HAH! I just realized how stupid some of the weights are. Yeah. Darts are kinda heavy when you carry around 500 of the little things, (50 pounds) but it doesn't make sense that arrows are completly weightless and same as shuriken. Although well made shuriken are light, 500 of those in your pocket isn't gonna feel like nothing. Same with arrows. Except the arrows wouldn't be in your pocket... Spears weigh less than a longsword... -_- That's just crazy. But anyways, it's not really fair to make something to your liking to lessen the strain of a low strength score. One (I only have one) of my characters (yeah right) has only 14 strength but has to lug around a tower shield and full plate. That gives me pretty much no extra weight for loot but do I care? YES I DO! *SOB* But the point is that full plate is heavy, don't make paladins with 14 strength, however much you like light darts, they don't fly as far, as straight, as dart-like as the regular AGH-500-darts-weigh-so-much darts and I still can't understand how you make bad-strff items.