I'd like to post a suggestion on rangers.

Does it not make sense that rangers should recieve sneak attack?

Perhaps not like a rogue, in that every flatfooted hit gains the bonus damage. But would it be possible for them to recieve a sneak attack at full value on the first hit out of stealth? Esp. in wilderness areas, that seems viable.

Or perhaps, due to their expertise in fighting certain creatures, they should recieve the sneak attack bonus at all times when fighting their favored enemies.

My 2 ha'pennies. Meow-mix!

Hum. Is that possible? I mean, adding something like that to some class?

And second, I think rangers are good as they are. They get favorite enemies, trackings, spells at a bit higher lvl and animal companion. Every class have their own good and bad sides, and I don't see anything needing fixing too badly at the moment.

Or could you not multiclass as a rogue?

If that's the case, why shouldn't everyone in stealth get Sneak Attack damage? The reason is that it's not just being unseen that matters, but knowing how to strike where it hurts the most. That's what a rogue can do.

Pretty sure that if Sneak Attack was fixable it would have been done long ago!

Also for the record - it requires a hak

So I can almost guarantee a "no"

pretty sure this cant be done,

rangers item that give sneak attack however <_<

First - can't change the basic classes/feat system from what I heard, so rangers can't get altered to gain sneak attack (however much sense it would make).

On Mort's point, certain DM's do give out ranger items that give sneak attack if they see players willing to play pure rangers up to the higher levels, though it doesn't happen as often as you think.

The danger with en-masse ranger specific items with sneak attack would be that the 'single-level-of-ranger' people would be able to use them, making the ranger 1/rogue X class combo even more potent than it currently is. Meh and meh in all cases, I think we'll all have to wait for NwN2's persistent world system to improve.

I am against this.

One: It takes away why you would take rouge lvls when you can simply take a ranger lvl instead and get there bonuses. Two: It wouldn't be nice to be sneaked by a ranger outta nowhere in the wilderness, that's why they're rogues out there. Three: It doesn't make sense.

Also i would unlickly that NWN2 will allow rangers get sneak attack since it is based on 3.5 of D&D which still dosent allow rangers sneak attack.

sneak attack items and rogue sneak attack dont stack :).

@thomas; the point is to add flavor to rangers, -sure why not be sneak attacked by rangers? most rangers take rogue levels anyway- this is prompt to stick with pure rangers.

Further, I'd like to see more animal companions out there ;_; , i never saw any.

I for one feels it would simply encourage more power building plus Rangers as it is get plenty of abilites so i dont see why they need more

A Ranger that has loot that gives him the same or worse, MORE Sneak Attack as a pure Rogue of his level is overpowered, in my opinion.

I never thought rangers would receive 4d6 sneak -_-, just a 1d6 as a personal loot is nice;

No, but loot can he hoarded and therefore, one person can get multiple Sneak Attack Bonii!

Bonus' plural is bonuses. Don't do that.

And how do you stack multiple weapons?

well two weapon fighting for one thing

Say you carry two +1d6 sneak attack swords. You don't get +2d6 for each of your attacks. Come on, think.

why not the bonuses for other things stack if you have two of the same weapon in each hand

cuz it doesn't work this way, sneak attack is a feat. i.e. if you have two items who gives Dodge as a feat, you wont receive +2 ac, only +1 , feat don't stack.

Even then only getting 1d6 bonus sneak attack is a bit much especialy for a low magic setting especially when you consider all the bonuses a Ranger already gets.

People earn a lot of really powerful equipment when they play well. It's how its done. What happens to the equipment when people die is not up to the DMs to control, unless it's far too powerful to leave in public hands.

I think items with sneak attack for rangers only are fine indeed. This, given by dms for good RP is best. Don't mess with the class's abilities, just RP as best as you can, and get involved :D

I don't think this is a very good idea. Is the solution to "Man, everybody dips into ranger then goes rogue" to make rangers more like rogues?

I'd rather expand the ranger in other ways. I'm not sure what those ways are yet. A brainstorm list (and yes. pure-class rangers need a boost):

Favored Enemy Bonuses: -Use/day abilities on your favored enemy. Sort of like smiting. Bonus Feats -Alertness, Stealthy. Or 3.5-ize them, and give improved TWF or Rapid Shot/Point Blank Shot for free.

Maybe give more advantages while outdoors. I confess to just skimming this thread, but I think that giving them sneak attack is just undesirable.

-Cross