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Locking of suggestion thread (more canon domains)

No offence crosswind, but I dont really appreciate my suggestion thread being locked without any discussion actually taking place.

I didnt see anyone offering alternative spell lists for the supposed OVERPOWERING that was taking place there, were they actually tested before the thread was summilarily locked?

If all the d.m's feel the same way about the addition of more canon domains then so be it, but rarely have I seen suggestion threads get LOCKED so discussion on it can not take place, they are suggestions, if that nothing like this should ever be done, even after the effort by arkov to implement other domains in the first place then thats fine, the thread will peter out of it's own accord.

And If I sound a little pissed off, I am, especially after the effort I put into the suggestion and metro telling me to put the suggestions into one thread, and having deleted the other threads that I could of it so it did remain in one place. I'm sure he didnt mean it just so you could lock it off, he would have meant it so discussion on it as a topic would remain in one thread, not spread out over many.

Uh, chaos, I didn't lock the thread. Somebody else did.

...unless I did lock it. Let me go check.

-Cross

Nope. I didn't lock it.

I've got no problem with players making suggestions - it's to be encouraged. I like the thought you folk have put into domains. I like that you're thinking about ways to improve the server. In the specific, I think the domains that were put together were too powerful (and I'm not totally convinced that we need new domains), but in the general, I approve of and appreciate what you're doing.

So, err, to conclude, I didn't lock your thread? It's not totally clear that I'm even competent enough to lock threads. Keep up the good work, tho'?

-Cross

I apologise then crosswind, I thought you had access, obviously somebody else has done it, and didnt want any sort of debate on the subject, pro's , con's, ways to improve it, anything like that to make it realisable.

I would have appreciated counter-suggestions to the domains that would have lowered the power if that was the problem, I tried in every case to raise the levels on the more powerful spells but at the same time keeping the spells in there to keep the theme, often because the spell was in the canon literature. Usually there wasnt an alternative.

Which ones specificially did you have problems with and why?

None of the non-canon ones would be added, so discussion can safely be limited to the others.

I think the biggest reason I'm against more domains are the following:

1) We already have a good variety out there for different clerics without adding any more.

2) The more we add, the more balance issues there will be, since we have to think about them in combination with everything else out there already.

3) The more we add, the less value there is to each one. Each individual domain will get used less due to clerics having more choices. Therefore there are diminishing returns.

4) 2da override files would have to be updated again for people to use these. I don't like making people load more than once.

So even if they were balanced, my issues are outside of that, and I'd be against adding them.

Thrawn I think the biggest reason I'm against more domains are the following:

1) We already have a good variety out there for different clerics without adding any more.

We do have, and it's great what we do have already, I dont think it retracts from the server by having more options. I know I probably like options more than the next person, but any person when they think of their theme; character and their patron deity tries to find things to fit their mold; their vision of their character, these will just make it easier.

2) The more we add, the more balance issues there will be, since we have to think about them in combination with everything else out there already.
The domains I made are directly based on canon ones, when I couldnt find the EXACT strref in the tlktable for the canon name, I used a synonym that WAS in the talktable. The spells I chose were from the canon description wherever possible and I added other spells in place of spells that dont exist in nwn. I think with a moderate amount of testing there wont be balance issues.

3) The more we add, the less value there is to each one. Each individual domain will get used less due to clerics having more choices. Therefore there are diminishing returns.
I dont see this as a problem at all, adding more adds value it doesnt remove it. Let me propose that if you only had 3 domains to choose from they'd be little reason to have domains at all, having more does not degrade anything.

4) 2da override files would have to be updated again for people to use these. I don't like making people load more than once.
It's only one very small file even with the other options added, in fact it's quite possible that if you had the older version of the domains.2da file (the current one) you'd be able to use either you'd just get less domain options coming up when you level up as a level 1 cleric. It would simply be another optional domains.2da. You'd just make the webpage that points to the current domain.2da override file point to the newer version with more domains, people would download if they see fit to use them.