So maybe a death avatar thats more in keeping with that deities theme would be more appropriate. This is just the visuals of the creature, not implying abilities/skills/levels should change at all. (although as long as they were balanced this would be alright as well)

Deity.................................. Model Velsharoon - - ---- ---- - Shadowshielded Mummy Lord/Lich (name: Decreptitude) Jergal - -- - - ---- --- - - - Spectre Avatar (name: Contract's Fate) Yurtrus - -- -- - - - --- - Shadow shielded Mohrg/Wight/Bodak (name: Visitation) Urogalan ------ - - ---- Shadow Mastiff Avatar (or shadowshielded moorhound model) (name: Black Hound Spirit) Osiris --- - -- - - ---- - - Shadow Fiend Avatar (name: Antithesis)

Keep in mind this is just the model used.. above not the abilities of the original creature.

(theres also a load of monster deities with death domain which hasnt been included but normally a shadowshielded (visual) version of their base creature.

(also some possible thematic powers for higher forms (level 7 cleric or beyond maybe) Velsharoon's Avatar (+1 negative energy in melee damage) Jergals Avatar ( Cleave feat or spell resistance 12) Yurtrus's Avatar (DC 14 disease melee hit) Osiris's Avatar ( barkskin 1 per day or ac +2 natural armor) Urogalan's Avatar (called shot feat or knockdown)

I'm for it if it can be done. What should the base type of these avatars be, out of curiousity? Surely not undead.. hm.

Should be easy to do, if it's desirable.

Howland What should the base type of these avatars be, out of curiousity? Surely not undead.. hm.

I could see why Jergal, Osiris, and Urogalan wouldn't want an undead avatar, but I'm not convinced Yurtrus would object, and Velsharoon certainly wouldn't. If the base types of the avatars were to be changed would they be affected by Turning? It could be kinda neat if so, but I'm afraid it might unbalance the system in Jergal, Urogalan, and Osiris' favour. And there's the thing about the cleric probably affecting her own avatar as well, which would probably unbalance the system even further. Aunno.

While we're at it, couldn't Kelemvor also be given a different avatar? Since there is no Repose domain in NWN.

I agree with the repose domain thing, kelemvor and other deities that may get repose might be able to qualify, though since you cant GIVE them repose domain you'd have to give them death domain again to allow it.

I'd say these avatars would probably be elementals (positive or negative energy ones (or unusual mixes)) or even more likely outsiders from the appropriate plane the head deity comes from. They're likely an extraplanar summon.

Velsharoon's may well be undead or simply evil outsiders. Yurtrus's involvement with disease would make his undead or evil outsiders as well. Urogalan and Jergal would probably be lawful outsiders Osiris's would be a Good outsider.

For balance reasons then they should probably be outsiders of various alignments. (though this does get them turned by certain domains)

The do need to be the same alignment as the deity so turning normally doesnt affect them.

once again in reference to THIS thread...

urogalan, osiris and jergal, like kelemvor, don't have death domain, they have repose.

if this is going to be implemented (which would help make death domain at least somewhat appropriate for these deities I would imagine)... I would strongly suggest Kelemvor is included. I'm not entirely sure why he was the only Repose god to have Death removed from his domain listings, but if repose isn't to be implemented, I highly support giving Death back to him and giving him one of these new avatars.

edited to clarify the portfolio/domain distinction

chezcaliente

if this is going to be implemented (which would help make death domain at least somewhat appropriate for these deities I would imagine)... I would strongly suggest Kelemvor is included. I'm not entirely sure why he was the only Repose god to have Death removed from his portfolio, but if repose isn't to be implemented, I highly support giving Death back to him and giving him one of these new avatars.

I second that.

Since Kelemvor likes his large swords, I'd suggest his avatar might be a shadowshielded hound archon (since it wields a 2-handed normally).

Or maybe even better just a normal warrior shadowshielded (with a voice set that approximates what kelemvor MIGHT have sounded like when he was alive pre-godhood) The kelemvorites might be able to pick a better name than I could, but maybe just "Kelemvor's Dauntlessness" or "Kelemvor's Judgement", "Kelemvor's Decree", "Kelemvor's Verdict" etc..

It definitely makes sense that if jergal (the old lord of the dead) gets death domain then kelemvor definitely should. You could possibly argue that because Cyric gets MURDER portfolio (from bhaal who had death) that maybe he should also be included.

We're talking domains, not portfolios. Cyric has neither the Death domain nor the death portfolio.

chezcaliente once again in reference to THIS thread...

urogalan, osiris and jergal, like kelemvor, don't have death domain, they have repose.

if this is going to be implemented (which would help make death domain at least somewhat appropriate for these deities I would imagine)... I would strongly suggest Kelemvor is included. I'm not entirely sure why he was the only Repose god to have Death removed from his domain listings, but if repose isn't to be implemented, I highly support giving Death back to him and giving him one of these new avatars.

edited to clarify the portfolio/domain distinction

You could also use the white glow "spirit" apperence that the faithless in the city of judgement have for these avatars instead of shadowshielded (if thats a performance hit)